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More from Rick’s Politically-Driven Life…
Rick Warren 2009:
Monday night on CNN’s Larry King Live, Pastor Rick Warren apologized for his support of Prop. 8, California’s voter-approved marriage protection amendment, saying he has “never been and never will be” an “anti-gay or anti-gay marriage activist.”
“During the whole Proposition 8 thing, I never once went to a meeting, never once issued a statement, never — never once even gave an endorsement in the two years Prop. 8 was going,” Warren told the CNN audience on Monday. ”The week before the — the vote, somebody in my church said, ‘Pastor Rick, what — what do you think about this?’ And I sent a note to my own members that said, I actually believe that marriage is — really should be defined, that that definition should be — say between a man and a woman.”
During his CNN interview on Monday, Warren expressed regret for backing Prop. 8. ”There were a number of things that were put out. I wrote to all my gay friends — the leaders that I knew — and actually apologized to them. That never got out,” he admitted.
Additionally, Pastor Warren said he did not want to comment on or criticize the Iowa Supreme Court’s decision last week to legalize same-sex “marriage” because it was “not his agenda.”
Rick Warren 2008:
However, just two weeks before the November 4 Prop. 8 vote, Pastor Warren issued a clear endorsement of the marriage amendment while speaking to church members. ”We support Proposition 8 — and if you believe what the Bible says about marriage, you need to support Proposition 8,” he said.
The following is a complete transcript of Warren’s comments just weeks before the Prop. 8 election:
“The election’s coming just in a couple of weeks, and I hope you’re praying about your vote. One of the propositions, of course, that I want to mention is Proposition 8, which is the proposition that had to be instituted because the courts threw out the will of the people. And a court of four guys actually voted to change a definition of marriage that has been going for 5,000 years.
“Now let me say this really clearly: we support Proposition 8 — and if you believe what the Bible says about marriage, you need to support Proposition 8. I never support a candidate, but on moral issues I come out very clear.
“This is one thing, friends, that all politicians tend to agree on. Both Barack Obama and John McCain, I flat-out asked both of them: what is your definition of marriage? And they both said the same thing — it is the traditional, historic, universal definition of marriage: one man and one woman, for life. And every culture for 5,000 years, and every religion for 5,000 years, has said the definition of marriage is between one man and a woman.
“Now here’s an interesting thing. There are about two percent of Americans [who] are homosexual or gay/lesbian people. We should not let two percent of the population determine to change a definition of marriage that has been supported by every single culture and every single religion for 5,000 years.
“This is not even just a Christian issue — it’s a humanitarian and human issue that God created marriage for the purpose of family, love, and procreation.
“So I urge you to support Proposition 8, and pass that word on. I’m going to be sending out a note to pastors on what I believe about this. But everybody knows what I believe about it. They heard me at the Civil Forum when I asked both Obama and McCain on their views.”
I am so sorry that Mr Warren is not standing for what the Bible states on marrage. How can he support prop 8 and a few weeks later not support it. You can fool some of the people some of the time but not all of the people all of the time. He is not fooling the Lord.
Mary Miller
I must say, I am disappointed.
Ah yes the slippery “Pastor” Rick is in the news again. I am neither surprised or disappointed, Rick has a trail of being crafty with his language and positions, and I expected no better from him.
Upon his tombstone should be engraved:
“I meant what I said when I said what I meant.”
Btw, this is the same Tricky Ricky that was crafty and sneaky with the Biblical texts he used in his best seller The Purpose Driven Life. Instead of clearly identifying them as mere paraphrases he passed them off as translations, and made it difficult to know what they were while one was reading the actual pages of his book. You had to stop and go to the back of the book to see the truth. And he deliberately made it difficult to do that.
The problem with that, as any serious Bible reader knows, is that a paraphrase is nothing but an abbreviated commentary, while a legitimate translation greatly keeps personal bias out by subjecting the translators work to the oversight of a committee, for example over 100 of Christendom’s best and brightest consulted intently over the NIV translation.
Tricky Ricky quoted mere paraphrases as equal in authority to legitimate translations, and tucked the identification of them in footnotes, so that the reader would constantly have to be checking Appendix 3 on page 325, and the Notes on pages 327-334 to discover if he was reading a translation and what kind of translation it was, or if he was merely reading a paraphrase of the Biblical texts.
Most readers would NOT bother to do that, and Tricky Ricky KNEW they would not bother to do it. It is also clear that Tricky Ricky deliberately chose paraphrases that said what HE wanted the Biblical texts to “say”, and passed over any paraphrase or translation that did NOT say what HE wanted them to say.
The Christian church should trust this man in exactly the same porportions that it would trust the Rev. Jim Jones, were he to return, from his dark home, to Earth for a visit.
Tricky Ricky merely offers a different form of “Kool Aid.”