Rick Warren Gushes About Pro-Abortion Candidate
More PurposeDriven wackiness:
I’m actually excited about Obama- I can think of no greater opportunity for the country than for Obama to get nominated simultaneously with a real conservative like Tom Tancredo. It would be poetic closure to the whole messy situation- Tancredo would offer real hope if elected, but if the country elected Obama, then that would tell me all I would need to know about the future of the country, and the appropriate preparations to take.
January 1st, 2007 at 11:50 am
This is a tough call, and I’m note sure I can support Rick Warren in this, even though I am inclined to support him in most other things. the only possible rebuttal i can find is this:
“Fight over Warren’s Obama invitation illustrates evangelical questions over separation. One of the better pieces is David Van Biema’s Time column. He notes (quoting CT’s Collin Hansen) that the battle between those who say, quite literally, “we will never work with those can support the murder of babies in the womb” and those who say “the HIV/AIDS pandemic cannot be fought by evangelicals alone” has echoes of the 1940s and 1950s. Back then, the split was between Billy Graham’s neo-evangelical camp and the more fundamentalists (in the historical, non-pejorative sense of the term) who advocated “second-degree separation.” (from Christianity Today magazine which is more biased to the mainstream evangelical movement than a more conservative belief)
So I guess I’d like to hear his response to these quotes - is he actually supporting Obama for president (which he seems to be) or was he working with him on other social issues? Either way, it’s still bad, but one would be worse than the other.
January 2nd, 2007 at 10:13 pm
A friend of mine told me he thinks Warren is truly a wide-eyed gullible optimist; I would add to that his martyr complex (he wants his gravestone to read “At Least He Tried” in reference to his attempts to bring civilization to Africa). These hypotheses are strengthened by his latest Obama comments- no one with an ounce of realpolitik realism would make comments like that.
And that puts me at ease- Warren would be a lot more dangerous if he were more politically astute.
January 5th, 2007 at 11:30 am
Whenever we analyze the behavior of elites, including Warren, we have to remember that everything is a status play. By focusing on HIV/AIDS (a disease entirely preventable by behavior), Warren ingratiates himself with the mainstream media. I mean, why not leukemia, or malaria, or some other less media-promoted disease (promoted because pet victim groups of the media, Africans and homosexuals, are its primary sufferers).
We are literally living under the most evil, Satanic orgy of violence in the history of man, as millions of women murder their own children; on this Warren is mostly silent. I think the profit motive of pharmaceutical companies is sufficient to cure AIDS, if it is indeed curable. One of the true “fronts” with the enemy is abortion, not the cause celebre’ disease of every Marxist in Hollywood and New York.
“If I profess with the loudest voice and clearest exposition every portion of the truth of God except precisely that little point which the world and the devil are at that moment attacking, I am not confessing Christ, however boldly I may be professing Christ. Wherever the battle rages, there the loyalty of the soldier is proved and to be steady on all the battlefield besides is mere flight and disgrace if he flinches at that one point.” - Martin Luther
January 5th, 2007 at 11:45 am
One of the purposes of this site is for me to speak the truth, but to avoid needless offense. I hope it doesn’t offend anyone if I say that I think Steve Sailer has hit the nail on the head in this article concerning Obamamania in the media:
http://vdare.com/sailer/070102_obamania.htm
Remember, for elites, showing their superior moral status over the rest of us is their currency in trade; Rick Warren can think to himself how open-minded and progressive he is as the California-based pastor of a megachurch who overcomes society’s boundaries to engage with a liberal African-American Senator and while he can’t publicly endorse this man lest he lose his credibility with his flock, he can at least open a dialog to start the re-education of all the backwards, narrow-minded evangelical people in the dark, medieval-minded hinterland of the country.
And that’s ok, because Rick has to start slow. It’s going to take a while before we’re as progressive-minded as he is to realize that a homosexual dying of AIDS because of his own behavior is worth like a million little innocent babies murdered in the womb. It’s a new math thing that only really morally superior liberals in California can comprehend.
January 6th, 2007 at 2:05 am
My only problem with this line of thinking is that I have never specifically heard or read (other than the quote you mentioned), Rick Warren saying anything that I would label “open-minded and progressive”. The studies that I have done that he has written were solidly in line with what I believe - the only complaint I would have had is that there wasn’t ENOUGH of it. =) I know that many pastors of large, unconventional churches to get labeled very quickly as ‘liberal’ or ‘progressive’. Maybe sometimes as Baptists we think that anything that is successful must be of the devil?
I also hope that I don’t offend by my comments. I enjoy the discussion of different (opposing?) points of view. It is always enlightening, and even if I don’t come away agreeing, I do come away having thought more thoroughly about what I believe. So here’s to another year of it!
January 6th, 2007 at 2:06 am
I do need to add one thing - I too am muddled and confused about Warren’s seemingly ‘new’ fascination with the AIDS ‘epidemic’. Maybe I’m out of the loop, but this was the first that I’ve heard about him embracing this particular cause.
January 7th, 2007 at 4:08 pm
I think the more common problem is the assumption that something that is successful is necessarily of God. The Warren/AIDS thing:
http://wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=53256
I’ll not say more for now, but Warren is one slippery eel. I’ll have to compile my findings into a post soon.
January 7th, 2007 at 5:58 pm
More on Obama-Warren:
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=53134
I think his trip to Syria (which upsets me less than it should a dispensationalist Zionist) demonstrates his gullibility; I see it as politically foolish, and I’m saying this as someone who doesn’t see any significance as to whether Pharisees or Muslims control Palestine. It’s related to the California/New Age (many of Warren’s self-help style sermons are fundamentally influenced by New Age concepts of self-improvement) ethic of believing that “thinking happy thoughts” will magically make them come true.